[X] My Assistant

[HEAVY]

Fuck it, thats no matter

[viza]

I want to see her boobjob

[Achilles]

yeah, and those are questions that stem from philosophical theory of idealism -- "is the world around us really as we perceive it?". still has nothing to do with proving whether there is or is not a god. attempting to use philosophical ideas to suggest that atheism is irrational is irrational in itself because philosophy is just a school of thought. speculation, just like theology. there's no corroborative evidence to be seen to verify any philosophical idea.

Are you a rational being or not? If you are, the above statement contradicts your certainty that you are. If you are not, then every statement you've made in this post contradicts your certainty that you aren't. A is A. Contradictions do not exist.

i don't think you're fully understanding at all. we are not discussing objective and subjective statements in general, only when pertaining to atheism and theism. given the context, it is safe to assume that. it is completely irrational to objectively state that something is real or is not real when there are no facts corroborating either stance. it is outside the realm of logic to answer an unanswerable question with a definite answer. perhaps YOU should check my premises and you'd realize that in the given situation it is NOT irrational to hold an indefinite position. it's quite the opposite. here's an example of what is irrational in this situation.

person 1: god is real.
person 2: why?
p1: because the bible says so.
p2: how do you know the bible is true?
p1: because god wrote it.

that's circular (irrational) logic derived from an objective statement on the given subject.
the premises that you seem to think i've asserted have nothing to do with why that's flawed logic. it's flawed logic because I CAN GET ON A PLANE AND GO TO CHINA. I CAN NOT TALK TO GOD UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Then we've misunderstood each other- we're trying to make the same point. On either end of the spectrum, Religion or Atheism, there is no physical evidence pointing in either direction- either to the existence of a God or away from it. I agree with you on this- this is one point which cannot be decided rationally- because the only statements once can make regarding such things are subjective. I can explain to you how I can logically say that there is, if not a higher power, then at least a higher intelligence in the universe, but no amount of proof I can offer would convince someone who refuses to believe in such things.

I am glad we've had a chance to debate all of this- it's been a long time since I've encountered someone who can frame an argument to compete with one that I'm making.

the government endorsement of a national day of prayer is favoring religion, no matter how general they'd like to try to make it. that still leaves atheists out. a common christian misconception is that "if we generalize it and claim it's respecting all religions, it's okay for the government to endorse it!" as for your final point in this statement, do you really need a national day of prayer to tell you to pray? and whether you're forced to pray or not, it's still a government endorsement of religion which is a violation of the first amendment.

i'm sure less people would have a problem with the complete and total removal of "under god" as they wouldn't find themselves swearing loyalty to any god and more than likely wouldn't have any problem with the pledge. i had no knowledge of that supreme court case until reading it in your post just then, so props for informing me of something new. however, most teachers i've had in my life are either not aware of that or just don't care because i've seen people punished for not standing and participating in the pledge although i'm sure they were just purely lazy and didn't any to stand up and say the pledge rather than having a different motive. still, i'm pretty sure what i proposed initially would be an easier remedy to the situation because a teacher couldn't deny or pretend to have no knowledge of that. anyways, i'm not really disagreeing with you as i'm happy about the fact that you agree with the supreme court ruling that it's unconstitutional.

Agreed.

[Flesh_and_Bones]

It's threads like these that make me wanna go apartments and stay out of church...

Though I believe in separation of Church and State I think our bigger problem is separating Big Business and Government.
I'm more concerned about the influence Big Business has on the Economy, the Environment , Health care and Education then what quote is printed on the dollar bill.

Just like any of our rights....your religious rights end where mine begin and vice-versa.

basically....
"Don't sell your porn in my porn shop! and I won't sell mine in yours"

[asdf]

Are you a rational being or not? If you are, the above statement contradicts your certainty that you are. If you are not, then every statement you've made in this post contradicts your certainty that you aren't. A is A. Contradictions do not exist.

this doesn't even make sense.

Then we've misunderstood each other- we're trying to make the same point. On either end of the spectrum, Religion or Atheism, there is no physical evidence pointing in either direction- either to the existence of a God or away from it. I agree with you on this- this is one point which cannot be decided rationally- because the only statements once can make regarding such things are subjective. I can explain to you how I can logically say that there is, if not a higher power, then at least a higher intelligence in the universe, but no amount of proof I can offer would convince someone who refuses to believe in such things.

i haven't misunderstood anything. i completely understand everything you're saying, however irrelevant to the current discussion it might be. the bottom line is this: to objectively assert something as truth when there is no evidence to say that it is truth is irrational. and if you feel you can logically explain that there is a god or a "higher intelligence", then feel free to. if you can make a compelling argument with valid, legitimate evidence, then i'll be glad to listen. if the evidence isn't conclusive, valid, or logical, don't bother.

I am glad we've had a chance to debate all of this- it's been a long time since I've encountered someone who can frame an argument to compete with one that I'm making.

heh. if you feel that way.

[TheAxiom]

On the last page I quite clearly summed up the basis of this discussion and rationalized everything you are debating. I win. After all, I am the axiom.

[asdf]

uh, no you didn't.

[TheAxiom]

uh, no you didn't.

Exactly.

EDIT: No, but seriously. I will deliver a completely bullshit-free argument later this evening. I'm too occupied at the moment to convey my stance on the matter adequately.

[T.W.S.S]

If said my opinion. To me that is all that matters. Even though asdf did have some good stuff to say.

[sTaTe]

To anyone who believes in a single omnipotent being, take a look at the picture below. I suggest that you click to view the full sized image



It gives us some small handle on perspective and, in time, will allow the human race to understand how very insignificant we really are.

If you think about the number of stars in a galaxy then look at the number of galaxies in this tiny snap shot of a penny sized piece of the sky THEN imagine that a single God made all this?

Sorry to offend but...

Religion is the single biggest con that the Human Race has ever allowed itself to fall for.

Religion is about people controlling people.

I hope that we are visited from another planet soon so they can tell the undeniable truth - just like everything else on this planet, you are born, you live and you die.

[AlbeyT]

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hey asdf I here she broke up with her girfriend,,, you should give her a call. should make for some interesting pillow talk..

[asdf]

is that supposed to be cute or funny or amusing in some facet? i'm not sure i follow.